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Myth #14 Logic and Reason can Create a Triune God that exists

Rather, their God is not at all.

Thomisticguy, the self ascribed spokesman for true Christianity on Blogstream and a closet Catholic, verbalizes a a form of omnipotence for God that is just all wrong. For the classical theist, his God can do anything that is (1) logically possible, and (2) consistent with being a personal, incorporeal, omniscient, omomnipresent, immutable, wholly perfect, and necessary Creator.

There is some degree of disagreement with the LDS position here, but it is a fairly accurate expression of LDS doctrine. Alma 7:8 in the Book of Mormon states "The Lord God has the power to do all things which are according to his word.

Thus, for Thomisticguy and other classical theists, God cannot do or create what is logically impossible. The Bible never really makes this broad a statement. However, Numbers 23:19 teaches that He "cannot lie." that such an act would be impossible for Him. So, there are some things He cannot do. This is not because He lacks the power to do them. It is because they are inconsistent with His nature and position as God. We see this point clearly with Augustine in his City of God which needs no discussion here.

Jesus first tells us how difficult it is for a rich man to become Christian... it would be easier that he pass through the eye of a sewing needle. This would be an impossible task but perhaps not a logically impossible task. Then Jesus reveals in the next verse: "With men this is impossible, but if they will forsake all things for my sake, with God whatsoever things I speak are possible." The implication is that God can do all that He says he will do. In like manner, we have an angel who came to Mary before the conception of Christ. Mary questioned the possibility of remaining a virgin conceiving the Son of God. (Luke 1:34). The angel assures her and in verse 37 states

"For nothing will be impossible with God."

If so, if there is nothing impossible to God - yet the logically impossible is something Thomisticguy believes He cannot do, then the logically impossible is not truly a thing. While the LDS can agree with this statement, Thomisticguy cannot because the three separate persons they say is numerically one individual is INDEED a logical impossibility. Does this mean that the Trinity is not truly a thing, (being logically impossible)?
Where Aquinas and Thomisticguy created this scenerio, they have worked themselves into another corner. Because IF the triune God is a logical impossibility and is as a consequence not a thing, it cannot exist.

The fact of the matter is God cannot be a logic impossibility where He, rather they together, exist.

This argument is not presented either facetiously or disrespectfully. Thom and those before him simply need to apply the same good LOGIC and REASONING to their position on the triune nature of God as they do to other aspects of their beliefs. If they would do so, the fallacies of their theology would be stripped away.

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Myth #13: We are Not Infidels (Ones without Faith)

While My Guitar Gently Weeps (adapted)



I look at you all see the love there that's sleeping

While my guitar gently weeps

I look at the fields and I see they need reaping

Still my guitar gently weeps

I know that Jefferson told you

How to unfold your love

I know what controls you

Having bought, he now sold you.



I look at the world and I notice it's burning

While my guitar gently weeps

With every mistake there has always been warning

Still my guitar gently weeps

I don't know why you failed when tested

You’ll be divested soon.

A bit more effort, you’d be converted

I’ve been alerting you.



I look at you all see the love there that’s sleeping

While my guitar gently weeps

Look at you all…

Still my guitar gently weeps.

(with 'deep regret' to George Harrison should he be offended)

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Myth #12: True ministers are well trained in the wisdom and skills of the world.

Thom (Dummies) confirms boldly that his ability in using philosophy, common sense, and a knowledge of contemporary culture, is a gift from God to him. He is certain that through these attributes is found the approved manner of crystallizing Godly truths and teaching them most accurately.

Not so.

True ministers speak by the power of the spirit and not the wisdom of the world. When Jesus sought out His disciples and when God chose His Prophets of old, a table was not set up at the local seminary, nor was a roster of the Pharisees requested.

We have no doctrines of our own to preach. There is no way any of us can create a plan of salvation that will save and exalt. Salvation and the doctrines of the gospel come from God. They are his. He reveals them to us by the power of the Holy Ghost. Then when we present them to the world, “we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth.” (1 Corinthians 2:13.)

The Apostle Paul illustrated that meaning in his first letter to the Corinthians: "And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. . . . And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." (1 Cor. 2:1, 4-5.)

How had he learned this? "God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit," Paul explained.

Where so many of the Orthodoxy mistakenly take there lead from Paul, let his words properly be heard: "Beware lest there be one who will lead you captive through philosophy and the vain deceit according to the tradition of men, according to the rudiments of the world and not according to Christ" (Colossians 2:8).

True ministers always speak by the spirit of inspiration. Because they have the gift of the Holy Ghost, they can “speak with the tongues of angels” (2 Nephi 31:13) and angels “speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the world of Christ.” (2 Nephi 32:3). Jesus counsels his ministers, “Take no thought how or what ye shall speak; for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father, which speaketh in you.” Matthew 10:19-20 And also “Neither take you thought beforehand what ye shall say; but treasure up in your minds continually the words of life, and it shall be given you in the very hour that portion that shall be meted unto every man,” D&C 84:85

False ministers, on the other hand – those ministering in “churches which are built up, and not unto the Lord” – those who teach the doctrines of men and not of the Lord – “they shall contend one with another, and they shall teach with their learning, and deny the Holy Ghost, which giveth utterance.” 2 Nephi 28: 3-4. Doctrines created in heaven never seem to find a comfortable resting place in theologies crafted by the wisdom of men.

Former President Ezra Taft Benson contrasted the two different approaches of the Lord's way and the world's way:

"The Lord works from the inside out. The world works from the outside in. The world would take people out of the slums. Christ takes the slums out of people, and then they take themselves out of the slums. The world would mold men by changing their environment. Christ changes men, who then change their environment. The world would shape human behavior, but Christ can change human nature." (Ensign, November 1985, p. 6.)

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Myth 11: The Primacy of Pure Reasoning reveals conversion caliber truths.

This is fundamental to Thomisticguy’s (Dummies blog) infatuation with Hellenistic perversions of the gospel. With each topic, his blog steeps in deep philosophic thought celebrating the intellect of men. His motive is to insult the simple truths of God by extolling the virtuous thought of some men, implying the gross error of other men.

The greatest example of this blundering premise among the Christian Orthodoxy came from the mouth of Pope Benedict XVI, yesterday.

With scant references to Christ or Jesus, while extolling the salvation of “singular rationality” and the “right use of reason” with the power of today’s technologically-based scientific practice, Benedict flashed back to total darkness and quoted from a book recounting a conversation between 14th century Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II and a Persian scholar on the truths of Christianity and Islam.

“The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war,” the pope said. “He said, I quote, ’Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”’

His university speech was not just seasoned with the empty value of reason, but was marinated in it. For a crusade-driven Pontiff to extol the singular truth of Christian reasoning over that of Islamic irrational thought was not in itself “reasonable” nor “Christian”. But for the listeners, it smackedin the irony of Catholic adventures in conversions by the sword.

He concluded with a quote, “"Not to act reasonably, not to act with logos, is contrary to the nature of God", said Manuel II, according to his Christian understanding of God, in response to his Persian interlocutor”
The only motive for this line of pontification is to insert a virtual knife and twist. With the pain, Christians reason they should embrace Islam.

So it is at Blogstream’s Dummies.

I speak to the Protestant style of dialogue with greater detail to promote greater understanding of what I am saying

It seems that having despaired of finding the answers to life's great questions, the Protestant and Catholic leaders through their adopted hellenistic (now worldly) culture focus on finding answers to little questions instead. The little questions for the Orthodoxy bloggers are far flung from doctrine or from conduct. No longer theologians but worldly philosophers have they become.

That is what I see in Thom's blog and the Pope's recent blundering address spoken of in my topic. Many philosophers here have all but given up the search for objective truth. Some have given it up entirely. In its's place they have adopted a view of truth in which accommodation, flexibility, and compromise are the highest values (lets reason together). Thus, listening to them, they have embraced an ecumenical age. With the growing diversity separating Protestants, ecumenism is easiest to come by. They are a people who together are least certain of their beliefs.

You may be wondering, if gospel truths cannot be found through the wisdom of men - where can it be found? It will be found, as it always has been, through the true Prophets of this dispensation. The only other Church in this dispensation to have a living Prophet and the ancient Priesthood is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

What have you against investigating it for yourself?

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Myth #10: God is the Father of all Narcissists

In projecting what the affluent Protestant ministers value from their own elitist culture, they tell us that God stands at the pinnacle of narcissism. Those in the height of corruption always attribute those corrupting qualities to their God.

In conversation with Bebop Thomisticguy remarks, “ there is an infinitely wide gap between the person and nature of God.” At his own blog (Dummies), Thom explains how God has no need of any of us. He is absolutely content within himself, unable to attain any greater happiness from His creation. (Essentially, we have nothing to give except what He requires). In the whole of Thom’s essays on God, he tells us of God’s many limitations. This description mirrors another god which I will get to in a moment.

Thomisticguy remarked to Bebop, “ Christians believe that in heaven we can have a wonderful and intimate relationship with God”. Of course, Thom speaks from the perspective of his narcissistic elitist culture projecting that value system onto God. Can you see God and the Elite standing next to each other, each perfectly content within themselves, carrying on a conversation, each extolling qualities of themselves? And each listening to their own words only. … That is their intimacy.

Thomas continues with Bebop that real Christians believe the most profound love God extends to us is identified in the book of Romans 5:8 which says: “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”In this Thom quotes the Bible twisting it to his will. “ We learn love,” he says, “from how God expressed it toward us in the generous, free sacrifice of His Son for us”. Thom is essentially saying that the sacrifice of the Great Narcissist is no real sacrifice at all and really did not occur in the truest sense. After all, He still lives. Further, God did not sacrifice himself but instead had his son sacrifice Himself. Does this sound like the work of a Narcissist? It sure does to me. However, it certainly helps Protestant Christians in their problems with being intimate with a formless, passionless, nothingness they claim as God.

The origin of narcissism as applied to god is found in Greek mythology. It is the Greek mythology that Thomisticguy admits an obsession for. This is how the story goes: Narcissus was a handsome Greek who fell in love with his own reflection in a pool of water. Unable to consummate his love, the Greek god Narcissus remained emotionally separate, perhaps in the same manner God is for the Protestants.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints knows that God the Son and God the Father to have passions and incredibly deep love for us. God is focused on our welfare not His own. Where Thomisticguy has revealed that Christ’s thoughts on the cross were not significantly about you and me, we know differently. God’s mission throughout all eternity is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of mankind. His focus is entirely outside Himself.

If you would like to investigate the True God, the course of action you should take is to obtain a copy of the Book of Mormon by contacting a member of the LDS Church.